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« on: January 29, 2021, 10:50:22 am »

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2021, 10:51:00 am »


   
dwheeler 12 days ago [–]

Hi, I'm the author of the referenced article. Thanks for pointing to it!
However, can you change HN thread to the article title, which is: "The Apple goto fail vulnerability: lessons learned"?

I never used the term "backdoor" in the entire article, and I certainly never claimed that this was an intentional backdoor or that it looked just like a backdoor. I said, "The Apple goto fail vulnerability was a dangerous vulnerability that should have been found by Apple." - but I never said it was intentional. I personally doubt it was intentional (it's possible, but I have no specific evidence suggesting it).

While I'm here... ask me anything (AMA)!

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dang 12 days ago [–]

Fixed now. Thanks!
(Submitted title was "The Most Backdoor-Looking Bug I’ve Ever Seen: Apple's goto fail bug (2014)". Submitters: please don't do that—it's against the site guidelines, which ask: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize." We eventually take submission privileges away for breaking that rule, so please follow it.)

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dwheeler 12 days ago [–]

Thanks! And while I'm here, THANK YOU for all the thankless work you do. MANY people, including me, appreciate it!
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MrXOR 12 days ago [–]

Excuse me.
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dwheeler 12 days ago [–]

No problem! Thanks for pointing people to the article, I write articles with the hope that someone will read them :-).
That article is part of a series of articles called "Learning from Disaster": https://dwheeler.com/essays/learning-from-disaster.html I think we can learn from the past, and sometimes learning a story & working to gain lessons learned from it can really help.

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MrXOR 12 days ago [–]

Excuse me for changing the title of your essay. I should not do that.
The title was just my opinion. Some days ago, I read the excellent newsletter [1] of Filippo Valsorda about a Telegram's bug [2]. Yesterday, I googled for bugdoors and read about them and found this Apple's bug and your excellent essay (with many useful hyperlinks) about it.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25726068

[2] https://habrahabr.ru/post/206900

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dwheeler 12 days ago [–]

> ... your excellent essay (with many useful hyperlinks) about it.
Thank you so much!

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olliej 12 days ago [–]

This was obviously a merge error.
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dwheeler 6 days ago [–]

I think that's very likely, but I've never seen a post mortum from Apple where they track down what happened.
I wish they would be more open about what happened. Mistakes happen. It's better for the industry if we can all learn from them.

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pansa2 12 days ago [–]

The OP has re-used the title of an unrelated article posted a few days ago, for some reason:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25726068

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gigatexal 12 days ago [–]

Flagged in hopes the title gets changed
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bobbylarrybobby 12 days ago [–]

For as long as I live, I’ll never understand style guides that permit omitting brackets around a single line following an if statement (or for, while, etc), nor code formatters that dont automatically insert them.
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efwfwef 12 days ago [–]

I'm so glad that modern languages are opinionated and have default formaters that come with them. Jumping from one C codebase to another is really a nightmare, especially if you want to review code. That's a security issue in my book, as you end up with more reading complexity.
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xxpor 12 days ago [–]

I'm convinced the GNU style is just for gatekeeping at this point. You REALLY have to want to work on a codebase with that after reading anything remotely Linux inspired.
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Gibbon1 12 days ago [–]

For as long at I live I'll never understand why why there wasn't a test suit to make sure that module and especially THAT module worked correctly.
Changes were made to that module without tests being run and then it was put into production code.

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kevin_thibedeau 12 days ago [–]

They add visual noise. The grammar of C is not the same as the grammar of it's offshoots and block statements aren't part of control structures. Moreover, GCC warns about extra statements with the same indentation level with -Wall on.
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coldtea 12 days ago [–]

>They add visual noise.
Which is a good thing, since it prevents errors such as this one. Extra verbosity with mandatory braces is noise (to the degree that without it, the compiler could still infer what we mean), but some degree of verbosity is a good thing, as it helps make patterns in the code more evident.

In which case we might want to call it a more fitting error than the dismissing "noise".

How about "dither"?

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tpush 12 days ago [–]

IMO you get accustomed to single statement-braces very quick and they leave less room for errors.
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mmis1000 11 days ago [–]

That is probably why styles like
  if (cond) {
    // statement
  } else {
    // statement
  }

existed. Allow you to quote everything while not waste so much vertical space.
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efwfwef 12 days ago [–]

and remove bugs
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lucasyvas 12 days ago [–]

I agree - it should be a compile or runtime error.
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umvi 12 days ago [–]

Well if you compile with `-Werror -Wall` (and you should), it would throw in error in GCC 6+:
https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2016/02/26/gcc-6-wmislead...

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jimbob45 12 days ago [–]

It can make code bloated and harder to follow.
TBH it would be nice if someone made C with indent scoping instead of block scoping but I don’t think that’s truly practical with the preprocessor.

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int_19h 8 days ago [–]

What's the practical difference between:
   if (foo)
      bar;
   else
      baz;
   
and:
   if (foo) {
      bar;
   } else {
      baz;
   }
The latter has one extra line, which is hardly bloat. It also has the braces, of course, but the upside of this style is that it's clear where the compound statement begins (it's the line that doesn't start with a brace!), and where it continues.
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2021, 10:51:45 am »

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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2021, 10:52:16 am »

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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2021, 10:58:57 am »

Subhan'Allah and wow!   The information is exhilarating.   That is, the Noble Quran confirms that in addition to the countless niceties of Jannah, it will have the MOST advanced technology without the trouble of downloading, installing, configuring, no threats of viruses or spams or malware, no costly hardware, no need for smartphone, nor android nor whatsapp.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2021, 10:59:42 am »


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I recall I had promised to mention about the paranormal citings and sounds experienced by my dearest father and grandfather.

I'll take up my grandfather's story later which is more lengthy, here's what my father saw.

It happened many years ago when he was still a young man and a bachelor.  He had recently joined the government service and was visiting his sister and her husband in another city.  My father's brother-in-law was also a government official, living in a well protected official bungalow.  My father's sister and her husband had been married only for a few years and had a little daughter, a few months old.

One evening, on a weekend after dinner, they all sat in the living room chatting and talking.  At around midnight, my father felt a bit tired and took his leave to go to bed.  His sister (my aunt) and her husband also went to their room.

My father was occupying the guest room in the house.  It was a nice looking room with a stretch of long french windows in front overlooking the garden.  He usually drew the curtains soon after dark.  But that evening he had forgot.  When he came into the guest room and switched on the lights, he saw the curtains still not drawn.  As soon as he began drawing the curtains, he saw a tiny woman (almost a dwarf), with long disheveled hair almost coming down to her ankles, bulging eyes and a very eerie personality standing just outside the window and grinning in an uncanny manner.  My father got the shock of his life!  He screamed and called out for help.  My father's brother-in-law (my uncle) got startled, he ran and came to my dad's room with a stick in his hand.  My aunt rushed too.  My dad told them what he saw.  They called the house guard and servants and asked them if they had seen someone around.  They said they saw no one.  All compound lights were switched on.  The servants searched every inch of the compound which wasn't too large.  No intruder was found.  The compound also had very high walls and a single high gate that was always kept locked.  It was opened only when someone came in or went out, constantly under the supervision of the house guard on duty.  So, there was really no possibility of anyone sneaking in and disappearing so quickly without being seen by anyone outside.  Until this day there's been no explanation for it.  Only Allah knows what that citing was.  Everyone of the household were darn sure it was a jinn.
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